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The preacher is an arrogant liar and imposter who manipulates with distortions of Holy Scripture and submits to no authority while he expects others to submit to him. He tells people how much he loves them while he fills their heads with unholy poison. He will cast out anyone who truly knows God and then scoff at the idea that he should listen to them. He discredits the man, because he can't discredit Words of Truth. And he does it with haughty contempt that they dared to question his "authority." Cartman is no more ridiculous than this big-shot. He is wise and serpentine in the ways of the world, but a fool in the ways of God. The president of the elders' counsel is a persistent murderer in the sight of God who is blinded by her own selfish desires as to the wickedness of killing God's creations. She is so pathologically opposed to motherhood that she is willing to murder her unborn rather than obey the Lord's Commands. Her justification? "I know that is not from God!" So "thou shalt not murder" is not from God? She proves she does not know who God is, and proves that whatever spirit she is following is NOT God. The pastor's wife (also a blind pastor) would follow her husband to Hell (literally) and twists the Scripture in support of his delusions. The church accountant is an adulteress. And all of them are boastful, arrogant, proud, and self-righteous. They'll say that God has made them righteous, but they don't serve Him. Yet, if someone can see through them and refuses to submit to the "Apostolic Authority" of their pastor, it is THEM that rejected the things of God and lacked the faith and didn't trust God. They are liars in their very hearts, so corrupt that they no longer even know when they are lying. They blaspheme in matters they don't understand, and if anyone tries to talk to them about it, they'll spout platitudes of ignorance. "It's not about theology!" They think the hand can say to the eye, "I don't need you!" What a clever way to ensure people never question and never see! What a cunning way to enslave people in a world of lies! And the Devil's work is finished in those who wanted to know their God!

These people are truly Servants of Satan. Cunning. Lying. Seductive. Corrupting. They destroy the Faith to create a church pleasing to men. 2 Timothy 3 was written about them. And they want to be YOUR leaders! They have a "calling" to be YOUR leaders! They are very nice (seductive) people, but don't be fooled.

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The preacher is an arrogant liar and imposter who manipulates with distortions of Holy Scripture and submits to no authority while he expects others to submit to him. He tells people how much he loves them while he fills their heads with unholy poison. He will cast out anyone who truly knows God and then scoff at the idea that he should listen to them. He discredits the man, because he can't discredit Words of Truth. And he does it with haughty contempt that they dared to question his "authority." Cartman is no more ridiculous than this big-shot. He is wise and serpentine in the ways of the world, but a fool in the ways of God. The president of the elders' counsel is a persistent murderer in the sight of God who is blinded by her own selfish desires as to the wickedness of killing God's creations. She is so pathologically opposed to motherhood that she is willing to murder her unborn rather than obey the Lord's Commands. Her justification? "I know that is not from God!" So "thou shalt not murder" is not from God? She proves she does not know who God is, and proves that whatever spirit she is following is NOT God. The pastor's wife (also a blind pastor) would follow her husband to Hell (literally) and twists the Scripture in support of his delusions. The church accountant is an adulteress. And all of them are boastful, arrogant, proud, and self-righteous. They'll say that God has made them righteous, but they don't serve Him. Yet, if someone can see through them and refuses to submit to the "Apostolic Authority" of their pastor, it is THEM that rejected the things of God and lacked the faith and didn't trust God. They are liars in their very hearts, so corrupt that they no longer even know when they are lying. They blaspheme in matters they don't understand, and if anyone tries to talk to them about it, they'll spout platitudes of ignorance. "It's not about theology!" They think the hand can say to the eye, "I don't need you!" What a clever way to ensure people never question and never see! What a cunning way to enslave people in a world of lies! And the Devil's work is finished in those who wanted to know their God!

These people are truly Servants of Satan. Cunning. Lying. Seductive. Corrupting. They destroy the Faith to create a church pleasing to men. 2 Timothy 3 was written about them. And they want to be YOUR leaders! They have a "calling" to be YOUR leaders! They are very nice (seductive) people, but don't be fooled.

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Of course you support the Ashleys. You are easily seduced and a member of his cult. You follow charisma and think that is from God. You don't understand that charisma is from pride and arrogance and from Satan. Follow Virtue, which IS from God, and you will leave that cult running!

Who is delusional? The one who claims to be the voice of God on Earth, passing his own teachings off as the direct Word of God in the "anointed word of God," when all he can do is say "The Bible says..." and he can't even understand that? The one who tries to walk on water? The one who claims to have the authority to write Holy Epistles like Paul of Tarsus? The preacher with a hundred parishoners on a good week who claims the Apostolic Authority of the Apostle Paul? The one who leads a pep-rally designed to make people feel good, and then claims that to be the Holy Spirit, seducing ignorant people to follow his own ignorance?

Or the one who says that the preacher is a false-Apostle and far too arrogant to be a servant of the Lord?

He fashions himself an "Alpha-male," but he surrounds himself with women and children and weak-minded men, teaching through tactics of brainwashing. "Close your minds." "You cannot be deceived." He confuses Spirituality and emotionalism, seducing with sensationalism and pleasures of the flesh, telling people that the elation they feel from their parties and laughter is the Holy Spirit. "We're Jesus junkies!" And then his trap is set. "God would never give you anything that hurts you." It feels good to follow his debauchery. That's God. It feels bad to question him.That's Satan. And if anyone's mind starts to open just a little, he will get the church to surround them, laying hands on them, praying for them, making them feel good and warm and loved, in order to ensure that they follow their warm feelings in spite of his lies "in the Name of Jesus." And then he'll have them bragging about their "victory in spiritual warfare!" Satan would be quite proud of him.

Anyone strong enough or mature enough in the Faith to resist his seductions and lies is a threat. Anyone who knows the ways of Truth and Righteousness is working for the Devil, trying to sow dischord, trying to throw the Devil's Darts to make people doubt. He will discredit them in any way he can. "He's just not committed" (because he won't follow me). "Not everyone has the faith to come to God" (because he seeks Truth and not tongues), "He has a problem with authority" (because he won't submit to me). "The Bible says that 'my children will know my voice' and he just doesn't know the voice of God!" (because he dares to question me), Those who won't follow this false-prophet don't know God, and those who follow the false-prophet are the Children of God!

His ego requires that he be the teacher, when he isn't smart enough to ask the questions. He is a blind guide who doesn't understand that even Satan knows the Scriptures fluently and twists them to his own purposes, as well.

He dazzles the ignorant and the uneducated with words from a Greek dictionary, when he hasn't even been honest with the English. He claims to have the hidden meaning of the Scriptures from the Holy Spirit, and you don??t speak in tongues so who are you to question him!?! But the Holy Spirit does not lie. The Holy Spirit does not have in mind the things of men. The Holy Spirit is not sensationalist and does not inspire people to revel like pagans.

He plays upon people's sincere love for Christ and their sincere desire to be with Him to make disciples unto himself. But he does not teach the Gospel of the Scriptures. He does not follow the Bible. Instead, he uses the Bible to go "Scripture-fishing" to find passages taken out of context to support whatever false-gospel he wishes to teach, like a lawyer or politician researching the law to support his own agenda or opinion. He makes the Bible follow him.

Yes, he is a charismatic preacher, and the time has come when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but have instead gathered around them a great many teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. The time has come when many have turned away from the faith and followed deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

When you see such charisma...when you see a cult of personality... RUN!! Run for your Eternal Life!

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Of course you support the Ashleys. You are easily seduced and a member of his cult. You follow charisma and think that is from God. You don't understand that charisma is from pride and arrogance and from Satan. Follow Virtue, which IS from God, and you will leave that cult running!

Who is delusional? The one who claims to be the voice of God on Earth, passing his own teachings off as the direct Word of God in the "anointed word of God," when all he can do is say "The Bible says..." and he can't even understand that? The one who tries to walk on water? The one who claims to have the authority to write Holy Epistles like Paul of Tarsus? The preacher with a hundred parishoners on a good week who claims the Apostolic Authority of the Apostle Paul? The one who leads a pep-rally designed to make people feel good, and then claims that to be the Holy Spirit, seducing ignorant people to follow his own ignorance?

Or the one who says that the preacher is a false-Apostle and far too arrogant to be a servant of the Lord?

He fashions himself an "Alpha-male," but he surrounds himself with women and children and weak-minded men, teaching through tactics of brainwashing. "Close your minds." "You cannot be deceived." He confuses Spirituality and emotionalism, seducing with sensationalism and pleasures of the flesh, telling people that the elation they feel from their parties and laughter is the Holy Spirit. "We're Jesus junkies!" And then his trap is set. "God would never give you anything that hurts you." It feels good to follow his debauchery. That's God. It feels bad to question him.That's Satan. And if anyone's mind starts to open just a little, he will get the church to surround them, laying hands on them, praying for them, making them feel good and warm and loved, in order to ensure that they follow their warm feelings in spite of his lies "in the Name of Jesus." And then he'll have them bragging about their "victory in spiritual warfare!" Satan would be quite proud of him.

Anyone strong enough or mature enough in the Faith to resist his seductions and lies is a threat. Anyone who knows the ways of Truth and Righteousness is working for the Devil, trying to sow dischord, trying to throw the Devil's Darts to make people doubt. He will discredit them in any way he can. "He's just not committed" (because he won't follow me). "Not everyone has the faith to come to God" (because he seeks Truth and not tongues), "He has a problem with authority" (because he won't submit to me). "The Bible says that 'my children will know my voice' and he just doesn't know the voice of God!" (because he dares to question me), Those who won't follow this false-prophet don't know God, and those who follow the false-prophet are the Children of God!

His ego requires that he be the teacher, when he isn't smart enough to ask the questions. He is a blind guide who doesn't understand that even Satan knows the Scriptures fluently and twists them to his own purposes, as well.

He dazzles the ignorant and the uneducated with words from a Greek dictionary, when he hasn't even been honest with the English. He claims to have the hidden meaning of the Scriptures from the Holy Spirit, and you don??t speak in tongues so who are you to question him!?! But the Holy Spirit does not lie. The Holy Spirit does not have in mind the things of men. The Holy Spirit is not sensationalist and does not inspire people to revel like pagans.

He plays upon people's sincere love for Christ and their sincere desire to be with Him to make disciples unto himself. But he does not teach the Gospel of the Scriptures. He does not follow the Bible. Instead, he uses the Bible to go "Scripture-fishing" to find passages taken out of context to support whatever false-gospel he wishes to teach, like a lawyer or politician researching the law to support his own agenda or opinion. He makes the Bible follow him.

Yes, he is a charismatic preacher, and the time has come when people will not put up with sound doctrine, but have instead gathered around them a great many teachers to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. The time has come when many have turned away from the faith and followed deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

When you see such charisma...when you see a cult of personality... RUN!! Run for your Eternal Life!

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We have known Ron and Diane Ashley for years. They are good Christian people. Please don't believe the vicious lies of a delusional individual. Check out The House for yourself.

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We have known Ron and Diane Ashley for years. They are good Christian people. Please don't believe the vicious lies of a delusional individual. Check out The House for yourself.

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If you think that a preacher with roughly a hundred parishoners on a good week is on par with Paul of Tarsus, and has the same authority as the man who wrote multiple books in the New Testament like he claims, then this is the cult for you.

If you think that a preacher that tries to walk on water like Christ and heal people with his shadow like Peter understands what is pleasing to God, then this is the cult for you.

If you understand who Paul was, and that this preacher may as well be claiming to be Moses or Elijah, and that Paul warned us about these people, saying, "And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve," (2 Corinthians 11) then stay completely away.

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If you think that a preacher with roughly a hundred parishoners on a good week is on par with Paul of Tarsus, and has the same authority as the man who wrote multiple books in the New Testament like he claims, then this is the cult for you.

If you think that a preacher that tries to walk on water like Christ and heal people with his shadow like Peter understands what is pleasing to God, then this is the cult for you.

If you understand who Paul was, and that this preacher may as well be claiming to be Moses or Elijah, and that Paul warned us about these people, saying, "And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve," (2 Corinthians 11) then stay completely away.

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God is awesome. He is the most amazing thing that has ever happened to me. I didn't learn about being born again at this church, although I know they believe it. I want to share my experience though.

When you hear someone talk about how you have to be born again to go to heaven, it makes you wonder what that means. Especially because not all the places I have been even say anything about born again. Is it really in the bible or is a whole group of people (Christians) lying. Found it in saint John 3. After reading it myself many times, I finally understood it. I had to be born of the spirit of God which was apparently different than just being born.

I got on my knees. It was kinda of strange. I didn't know what would happen. I just knew that I needed something that was missing that would make my life better. I was serious and sincere. I didn't do anything just to test it out and see if it was real. I didn't want to be like I was anymore and didn't know where else to go.

I don't know what I expected but when I got with God and asked him to change my life wow, was I ever surprised. I got up off my knees and was so happy I thought I'd never stop smiling. I felt so good and knew I was different somehow. I don't understand it and really I don't care. I just know I'm a good different.

I look forward to seeing Jesus and God. I love them with every cell in my body. They are amazing.

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God is awesome. He is the most amazing thing that has ever happened to me. I didn't learn about being born again at this church, although I know they believe it. I want to share my experience though.

When you hear someone talk about how you have to be born again to go to heaven, it makes you wonder what that means. Especially because not all the places I have been even say anything about born again. Is it really in the bible or is a whole group of people (Christians) lying. Found it in saint John 3. After reading it myself many times, I finally understood it. I had to be born of the spirit of God which was apparently different than just being born.

I got on my knees. It was kinda of strange. I didn't know what would happen. I just knew that I needed something that was missing that would make my life better. I was serious and sincere. I didn't do anything just to test it out and see if it was real. I didn't want to be like I was anymore and didn't know where else to go.

I don't know what I expected but when I got with God and asked him to change my life wow, was I ever surprised. I got up off my knees and was so happy I thought I'd never stop smiling. I felt so good and knew I was different somehow. I don't understand it and really I don't care. I just know I'm a good different.

I look forward to seeing Jesus and God. I love them with every cell in my body. They are amazing.

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If you think that when Paul wrote, "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned," (2 Corinthians 2:14) it means that Scriptures are discerned by what feels good, then this is the cult for you.

But if you understand that Peter warned us about such men, saying of Paul's letters, "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction," (2 Peter 3:16) then stay completely away.

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If you think that when Paul wrote, "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned," (2 Corinthians 2:14) it means that Scriptures are discerned by what feels good, then this is the cult for you.

But if you understand that Peter warned us about such men, saying of Paul's letters, "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction," (2 Peter 3:16) then stay completely away.

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The Gospel, According to Ron (The preacher of this cult): "Some people say you're stupid if you pray for parking spots. I say you're stupid if you have to walk a block."

Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Ron: sloth, laziness, greed, selfishness, taking God for granted, worldliness. This is a mockery of God.

This from a man who explicitly claims that he has the authority to write Holy Epistles like Paul of Tarsus.

The Gospel, According to Christ: Why are you worried about getting to park so close? I gave you healthy legs. Why don't you leave that closer parking space for someone who needs it because their health is failing? Those kinds of charities in all things are how I want you to live your life. Think of others first and always. If you do that, have faith in me, and I'll take care of you without you even asking.

Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Christ: charity, love, perseverence, kindness, selflessness, gratitude, faith, holiness.

"My Children will know my voice."

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The Gospel According to Ron (the leader of this cult): "If you want to impress me with your spirituality, you better walk on water."

This was said under the "anointing" of a sermon, so Ron would have us believe that it wasn't him speaking but God speaking directly through him. Should we think that God wants us to impress Ron with our spirituality? Or is God telling us that it is futile to try to impress Ron with our spirituality? (Because, of course, we should all be trying to impress Ron with our spirituality!) And God is telling us that miracles are what is impressive, not spiritual fruits like patience, humility, kindness, self-control, love, perseverence, courage, selflessness.

The Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Ron: arrogance, pride, self-glorification ("only Christ is better than me!"), self-engrandizement, boastfulness, self-absorbtion, ego, testing God, usurpation, sinfulness.

This is a mockery of God.

The Gospel According to Paul of Tarsus: "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. IF ANYONE THINKS HE IS SOMETHING WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVES HIMSELF. Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, WITHOUT COMPARING HIMSELF TO SOMEBODY ELSE, for each one should carry his own load. Anyone who receives instruction in the word must SHARE ALL GOOD THINGS WITH HIS INSTRUCTOR.
Do not be deceived: GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. THE ONE WHO SOWS TO PLEASE HIS SINFUL NATURE, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Paul: HUMILITY, patience, kindness, love, selflessness.

If there is a spirit speaking directly through Ron (which I have asked myself many times), it is NOT God!

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The Gospel, According to Ron (The preacher of this cult): "Some people say you're stupid if you pray for parking spots. I say you're stupid if you have to walk a block."

Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Ron: sloth, laziness, greed, selfishness, taking God for granted, worldliness. This is a mockery of God.

This from a man who explicitly claims that he has the authority to write Holy Epistles like Paul of Tarsus.

The Gospel, According to Christ: Why are you worried about getting to park so close? I gave you healthy legs. Why don't you leave that closer parking space for someone who needs it because their health is failing? Those kinds of charities in all things are how I want you to live your life. Think of others first and always. If you do that, have faith in me, and I'll take care of you without you even asking.

Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Christ: charity, love, perseverence, kindness, selflessness, gratitude, faith, holiness.

"My Children will know my voice."

***

The Gospel According to Ron (the leader of this cult): "If you want to impress me with your spirituality, you better walk on water."

This was said under the "anointing" of a sermon, so Ron would have us believe that it wasn't him speaking but God speaking directly through him. Should we think that God wants us to impress Ron with our spirituality? Or is God telling us that it is futile to try to impress Ron with our spirituality? (Because, of course, we should all be trying to impress Ron with our spirituality!) And God is telling us that miracles are what is impressive, not spiritual fruits like patience, humility, kindness, self-control, love, perseverence, courage, selflessness.

The Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Ron: arrogance, pride, self-glorification ("only Christ is better than me!"), self-engrandizement, boastfulness, self-absorbtion, ego, testing God, usurpation, sinfulness.

This is a mockery of God.

The Gospel According to Paul of Tarsus: "Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. IF ANYONE THINKS HE IS SOMETHING WHEN HE IS NOTHING, HE DECEIVES HIMSELF. Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, WITHOUT COMPARING HIMSELF TO SOMEBODY ELSE, for each one should carry his own load. Anyone who receives instruction in the word must SHARE ALL GOOD THINGS WITH HIS INSTRUCTOR.
Do not be deceived: GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. THE ONE WHO SOWS TO PLEASE HIS SINFUL NATURE, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

Spiritual Fruits of the Gospel According to Paul: HUMILITY, patience, kindness, love, selflessness.

If there is a spirit speaking directly through Ron (which I have asked myself many times), it is NOT God!

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If you are gullible enough to believe a man when he says, "When I preach, it isn't me speaking but God speaking directly through me," then this is the cult for you.

If you think that God is the author of confusion, throwing random bones into the earth that never belonged to any animals, then this is the cult for you.

If you are ignorant enough not to believe in dinosaurs, and you're ok with continuing in your ignorance, then this is the cult for you.

If you want to take you science lessons from a self-confessed Special Ed student who studies with an agenda to prove himself right, then this is the cult for you.

If you realize that preaching any lie in the name of God is spiritual fruit and indication of many more lies to come, then stay completely away.

If you realize that one lie, no matter how Spiritually innocuous, proves that it is the preacher preaching, not God speaking directly through him as if he were a medium at a seance, then stay completely away.

If you realize that asking a preacher for clarification on what he preached is a good thing that does not warrant the response, "You don't trust God," then stay completely away.

If you can see the narcissism and arrogance in that, then stay completely away.

If you can see that this man is following deceiving spirits that play into his ego, then stay completely away.

If you can see that the lies prove that he has in effect declared himself to be God, fulfilling the prophesies of 2 Peter 2, then stay completely away.

If you realize that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is truly king, then stay completely away.

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If you are gullible enough to believe a man when he says, "When I preach, it isn't me speaking but God speaking directly through me," then this is the cult for you.

If you think that God is the author of confusion, throwing random bones into the earth that never belonged to any animals, then this is the cult for you.

If you are ignorant enough not to believe in dinosaurs, and you're ok with continuing in your ignorance, then this is the cult for you.

If you want to take you science lessons from a self-confessed Special Ed student who studies with an agenda to prove himself right, then this is the cult for you.

If you realize that preaching any lie in the name of God is spiritual fruit and indication of many more lies to come, then stay completely away.

If you realize that one lie, no matter how Spiritually innocuous, proves that it is the preacher preaching, not God speaking directly through him as if he were a medium at a seance, then stay completely away.

If you realize that asking a preacher for clarification on what he preached is a good thing that does not warrant the response, "You don't trust God," then stay completely away.

If you can see the narcissism and arrogance in that, then stay completely away.

If you can see that this man is following deceiving spirits that play into his ego, then stay completely away.

If you can see that the lies prove that he has in effect declared himself to be God, fulfilling the prophesies of 2 Peter 2, then stay completely away.

If you realize that in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is truly king, then stay completely away.

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Just the fact that you answered back supports what I said. You can't move on. You don't sound like you want to disagree with someone, but rather destroy them which is totally not what God would do. Be honest with yourself and let go of the anger dude before it ruins you. Stop focusing it on a church or pastor and forgive who it was that really hurt you. You'll never be able to have a completely full life and move on if you don't.

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You are very cunning with your words?
but I don??t think that deep down this is about that church. If it was, you??d have posted your comment and moved on. To hang onto something indicates the person not moving forward has a personal problem. The bible says Jesus was lead like a lamb to the slaughter. Before the tribunal he never defended himself or justified his actions. I haven??t seen a single post where that Pastor wrote defending himself or the church. Sounds like what Jesus did doesn??t it.
There is talk about a guy who came to the church that the Elder president did date once. I understand he seemed to like the church at first but as his relationship with the Elder president deteriorated until she terminated it, he became angry and started verbal attacks on line. With as much dedication you show to posting negatives about the church and staff, it makes me wonder if this is you as everyone I have ever met seems to like that church. Granted I haven??t lived in area as long as other people here, but those who are familiar with that church seem to really like it. It isn??t just me. There was some community work thing going on last week that was in the local paper too and that Pastor was the only Pastor in the community listed as helping.
But forget about the church. What I'd like to know is why you want to destroy or hurt people? To read your writing, you'd think most people are idiots. They don't have the ability to think or discern for themselves without your help or guidance. Again, if people are encouraged to read the bible for themselves, I say good job to the person encouraging them.

Accepting, except,
Although I still believe you to be the same person or someone in league with that person it is never wise to put words to what you believe someone else is thinking or saying, unless you first clarify it. You wrote ??or you would still be one of us? which was as far away from my thoughts as it could have been.

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Just the fact that you answered back supports what I said. You can't move on. You don't sound like you want to disagree with someone, but rather destroy them which is totally not what God would do. Be honest with yourself and let go of the anger dude before it ruins you. Stop focusing it on a church or pastor and forgive who it was that really hurt you. You'll never be able to have a completely full life and move on if you don't.

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You are very cunning with your words?
but I don??t think that deep down this is about that church. If it was, you??d have posted your comment and moved on. To hang onto something indicates the person not moving forward has a personal problem. The bible says Jesus was lead like a lamb to the slaughter. Before the tribunal he never defended himself or justified his actions. I haven??t seen a single post where that Pastor wrote defending himself or the church. Sounds like what Jesus did doesn??t it.
There is talk about a guy who came to the church that the Elder president did date once. I understand he seemed to like the church at first but as his relationship with the Elder president deteriorated until she terminated it, he became angry and started verbal attacks on line. With as much dedication you show to posting negatives about the church and staff, it makes me wonder if this is you as everyone I have ever met seems to like that church. Granted I haven??t lived in area as long as other people here, but those who are familiar with that church seem to really like it. It isn??t just me. There was some community work thing going on last week that was in the local paper too and that Pastor was the only Pastor in the community listed as helping.
But forget about the church. What I'd like to know is why you want to destroy or hurt people? To read your writing, you'd think most people are idiots. They don't have the ability to think or discern for themselves without your help or guidance. Again, if people are encouraged to read the bible for themselves, I say good job to the person encouraging them.

Accepting, except,
Although I still believe you to be the same person or someone in league with that person it is never wise to put words to what you believe someone else is thinking or saying, unless you first clarify it. You wrote ??or you would still be one of us? which was as far away from my thoughts as it could have been.

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It seems like I see where all the posters are coming from. Like another poster, I am born again, too. I was saved by the Holy Spirit in a Methodist church, but was then lead out of that church. I believe that it was because they didn??t preach the full Gospel, and successive pastors had their own agenda of making people feel good on one hand but not holding themselves or their congregation accountable to the parts of the Bible that don??t fit into modern society. I loved being part of God??s community??the Bible studies, the fund raisers, the choir, plays, and friendship breakfasts. All of this fed me emotionally and I made many friends that I will always cherish. BUT the Bible calls us to be modest??so many women wore mini skirts, low cut tops, etc., but the pastors said we have to love them where they are and didn??t teach modesty. Yes, we do have to love them, but we can??t pretend that where they are is ok with Jesus. He wants us to grow and be better, not declare ourselves holy because He saved us. He saved us so that we could take up our cross and follow him; blessed is he who is persecuted for [his] sake. And wearing clothes isn??t much of a cross, really. It??s just not the norm in a sex-crazed society.

I??m disappointed in the poster who said, ??It is apparent that you must not have a solid relationship with God, or you would know his spirit too when you felt him.? That statement makes my heart ache for everyone like the ??Spiritual? Yes. But not the Holy Spirit? poster. Some people aren??t as blessed to feel God??s presence in the same way or to the same degree we do, but we are no better than them. If the ??Spiritual?? poster turned to the Bible because he wanted facts over feelings, then good for him/her. We are all unique creations that serve God in different ways. If the poster who said ??it is apparent you must not have a solid relationship with God [meaning: or you would still be one of us]? is indicative of the mind-set of the church it seems as though this church did not really open themselves up to him, that the congregation was not patient with him, or was not accepting of his gifts because they aren??t like their own. Another poster said that he doesn??t agree with everything this church teaches, so why would he not at least try to get to the Truth and make sure that everyone was being taught only that which is right? I put my heart and soul into a church that didn??t want me because I didn??t agree with them in every way and the preacher wouldn??t even baptize me because I wasn??t one of ??them??. I am still hurt by the way they treated me??all in the name of protecting their status quo. So I sympathize with ??Spiritual.? I have been to many churches, and have felt the Holy Spirit move in most of them, but that does not mean that God approved of everything/much/anything that was going on in that church. God will not abandon His people, he will call to us in that still, small voice that is too often drowned out by emotion, habit, fun, friendships, and security, though. So, look at any church in an unbiased, prayerful way. And please don??t think that someone who is calling to your attention Scripture is anything more/less than a still voice asking you to take stock of something you may be taking for granted. And who wants to take God for granted?

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It seems like I see where all the posters are coming from. Like another poster, I am born again, too. I was saved by the Holy Spirit in a Methodist church, but was then lead out of that church. I believe that it was because they didn??t preach the full Gospel, and successive pastors had their own agenda of making people feel good on one hand but not holding themselves or their congregation accountable to the parts of the Bible that don??t fit into modern society. I loved being part of God??s community??the Bible studies, the fund raisers, the choir, plays, and friendship breakfasts. All of this fed me emotionally and I made many friends that I will always cherish. BUT the Bible calls us to be modest??so many women wore mini skirts, low cut tops, etc., but the pastors said we have to love them where they are and didn??t teach modesty. Yes, we do have to love them, but we can??t pretend that where they are is ok with Jesus. He wants us to grow and be better, not declare ourselves holy because He saved us. He saved us so that we could take up our cross and follow him; blessed is he who is persecuted for [his] sake. And wearing clothes isn??t much of a cross, really. It??s just not the norm in a sex-crazed society.

I??m disappointed in the poster who said, ??It is apparent that you must not have a solid relationship with God, or you would know his spirit too when you felt him.? That statement makes my heart ache for everyone like the ??Spiritual? Yes. But not the Holy Spirit? poster. Some people aren??t as blessed to feel God??s presence in the same way or to the same degree we do, but we are no better than them. If the ??Spiritual?? poster turned to the Bible because he wanted facts over feelings, then good for him/her. We are all unique creations that serve God in different ways. If the poster who said ??it is apparent you must not have a solid relationship with God [meaning: or you would still be one of us]? is indicative of the mind-set of the church it seems as though this church did not really open themselves up to him, that the congregation was not patient with him, or was not accepting of his gifts because they aren??t like their own. Another poster said that he doesn??t agree with everything this church teaches, so why would he not at least try to get to the Truth and make sure that everyone was being taught only that which is right? I put my heart and soul into a church that didn??t want me because I didn??t agree with them in every way and the preacher wouldn??t even baptize me because I wasn??t one of ??them??. I am still hurt by the way they treated me??all in the name of protecting their status quo. So I sympathize with ??Spiritual.? I have been to many churches, and have felt the Holy Spirit move in most of them, but that does not mean that God approved of everything/much/anything that was going on in that church. God will not abandon His people, he will call to us in that still, small voice that is too often drowned out by emotion, habit, fun, friendships, and security, though. So, look at any church in an unbiased, prayerful way. And please don??t think that someone who is calling to your attention Scripture is anything more/less than a still voice asking you to take stock of something you may be taking for granted. And who wants to take God for granted?

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The preacher claims that he was once a gang leader until he found Jesus.

The preacher claims that he was once one of the best mechanics in the country.

The preacher claims that he now has the "authority of the Apostle Paul." He's not just a lesser Apostle. That wouldn't feed his ego enough. He has the authority of the author of half of the New Testament.

The preacher says he has to obey his bishop "unless God tells him otherwise," but he defines a message from God by what feels good.

If you don't see a pattern of ego, narcissism, and pride here, then this is the cult for you.

But if you understand that there are probably a quarter-million "ex-Green Berets" and "ex-Navy SEALs" out there who were actually supply clerks in Alaska, then stay completely away.

If you understand that some people have a pathological need to feel admired, then stay completely away.

If you understand that in addition to an inflated self-image and addiction to fantasy, narcissism is characterized by an unusual coolness and composure, which is shaken only when the narcissistic confidence is threatened, then stay completely away.

If you understand that lying with confidence attracts many followers who admire the composure of the liar without questioning his fantasies, then stay completely away.

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The preacher claims that he was once a gang leader until he found Jesus.

The preacher claims that he was once one of the best mechanics in the country.

The preacher claims that he now has the "authority of the Apostle Paul." He's not just a lesser Apostle. That wouldn't feed his ego enough. He has the authority of the author of half of the New Testament.

The preacher says he has to obey his bishop "unless God tells him otherwise," but he defines a message from God by what feels good.

If you don't see a pattern of ego, narcissism, and pride here, then this is the cult for you.

But if you understand that there are probably a quarter-million "ex-Green Berets" and "ex-Navy SEALs" out there who were actually supply clerks in Alaska, then stay completely away.

If you understand that some people have a pathological need to feel admired, then stay completely away.

If you understand that in addition to an inflated self-image and addiction to fantasy, narcissism is characterized by an unusual coolness and composure, which is shaken only when the narcissistic confidence is threatened, then stay completely away.

If you understand that lying with confidence attracts many followers who admire the composure of the liar without questioning his fantasies, then stay completely away.

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No pressure place with lots of excitment. Ushers very friendly and most of the people seem genuinely happy. The preacher's not boring and doesn't drone on. The worship is good and you can feel God in that place. Very non traditional style church, but still feel God's presence. Great fit for someone who finds traditional church dull.

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No pressure place with lots of excitment. Ushers very friendly and most of the people seem genuinely happy. The preacher's not boring and doesn't drone on. The worship is good and you can feel God in that place. Very non traditional style church, but still feel God's presence. Great fit for someone who finds traditional church dull.

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The pators of this church are completly dedicated to furthering the kingdom of God! I have attended this church for several years, despite the many trials the pastors have experienced, thier faith never failed to exist! Every message preached the pastor challenges his members to read along in thier scripture to ensure their is no false teaching! And yes, the pastorial staff is very loving and accepting! Every church should be! I am greeted at the door every morning by thier ushers and at least a few others before I find my seat. The atmosphere is everything a church should be! They attend many events through out the year with other groups to encourage growth such as women of faith, promise keepers, district events, summer camps, concerts. I would encourage anyone in the area to come and check it out for yourself!

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The pators of this church are completly dedicated to furthering the kingdom of God! I have attended this church for several years, despite the many trials the pastors have experienced, thier faith never failed to exist! Every message preached the pastor challenges his members to read along in thier scripture to ensure their is no false teaching! And yes, the pastorial staff is very loving and accepting! Every church should be! I am greeted at the door every morning by thier ushers and at least a few others before I find my seat. The atmosphere is everything a church should be! They attend many events through out the year with other groups to encourage growth such as women of faith, promise keepers, district events, summer camps, concerts. I would encourage anyone in the area to come and check it out for yourself!

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Sure, attend that cult if you want to be made to feel good and comforted by large-hearted people. They are good at that.

However, their teachings will not lead you to righteousness nor the things of God. Their message is completely wrong, teaching people to seek after the things of this world in the name of God.

Their preacher glorifies himself on God's altar, blaspheming and teaching blasphemies and lies. Their love is sincere, but merely a seduction. They are false, and they "they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity." Their depravity is in the form of narcissism, arrogance, modern sociology in the name of God, a messianic complex, and twisting and distorting the Gospel of Christ. They have introduced destructive heresies, not understanding but teaching out of ignorance and with underpinnings of "Hippie" philosophies.

Their Gospel is not the Gospel of the Scriptures, but the Gospel of their opinions based on modernistic world-views, with Scriptures wrapped around as they see fit. They ignore any Scripture that doesn't fit in with their world-view, or explain it away.

Some of their teachings are directly opposite of Scriptures and Christ's teachings. They hold to myths, and are blind guides.

But they will make you feel good. They will make you feel loved. There is no doubt about that.

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Sure, attend that cult if you want to be made to feel good and comforted by large-hearted people. They are good at that.

However, their teachings will not lead you to righteousness nor the things of God. Their message is completely wrong, teaching people to seek after the things of this world in the name of God.

Their preacher glorifies himself on God's altar, blaspheming and teaching blasphemies and lies. Their love is sincere, but merely a seduction. They are false, and they "they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error. They promise them freedom, while they themselves are slaves of depravity." Their depravity is in the form of narcissism, arrogance, modern sociology in the name of God, a messianic complex, and twisting and distorting the Gospel of Christ. They have introduced destructive heresies, not understanding but teaching out of ignorance and with underpinnings of "Hippie" philosophies.

Their Gospel is not the Gospel of the Scriptures, but the Gospel of their opinions based on modernistic world-views, with Scriptures wrapped around as they see fit. They ignore any Scripture that doesn't fit in with their world-view, or explain it away.

Some of their teachings are directly opposite of Scriptures and Christ's teachings. They hold to myths, and are blind guides.

But they will make you feel good. They will make you feel loved. There is no doubt about that.

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